Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a theory in psychology that Abraham Maslow proposed in his 1943 paper “A Theory of Human Motivation” which he subsequently extended to include his observations of humans’ innate curiosity.
Maslow's hierarchy of needs is often depicted as a pyramid consisting of five levels: the four lower levels are grouped together as being associated with Physiological needs, while the top level is termed growth needs associated with psychological needs. Deficiency needs must be met first. Once these are met, seeking to satisfy growth needs drives personal growth. The higher needs in this hierarchy only come into focus when the lower needs in the pyramid are satisfied. Once an individual has moved upwards to the next level, needs in the lower level will no longer be prioritized. If a lower set of needs is no longer being met, the individual will temporarily re-prioritize those needs by focusing attention on the unfulfilled needs, but will not permanently regress to the lower level.
In Maslow's scheme, the final stage of psychological development comes when the individual feels assured that his physiological, security, affiliation and affection, self-respect, and recognition needs have been satisfied. As these become dormant, he becomes filled with a desire to realize all of his potential for being an effective, creative, mature human being. "What a man can be, he must be", is the way Maslow expresses it.
Maslow's need hierarchy is set forth as a general proposition and does not imply that everyone's needs follow the same rigid pattern. For some people, self-esteem seems to be a stronger motivation than love. For some people, the need to create is often a stronger motivation than the need for food and safety. Thus, the artist living in poverty is a classic example of reversing the standard hierarchy of needs. There are also cases of people's martyring themselves for causes and suffering all kinds of deprivations, particularly in the physiological, safety, and sometimes social categories, to achieve their goals.
Maslow writes the following of self-actualizing people:
They embrace the facts and realities of the world (includes themselves) rather than denying or avoiding them;
They are spontaneous in their ideas and actions;
They are creative;
They are interested in solving problems; this often includes the problems of others. Solving these problems is often a key focus in their lives;
They feel a closeness to other people, and generally appreciate life;
They have a system of morality that is fully internalized and independent of external authority;
They have discernment and are able to view all things in an objective manner.
In Maslow's theory, then, human needs are arranged in a hierarchy of importance. Needs emerge only when higher-priority needs have been satisfied. By the same token, satisfied needs no longer influence behavior. This point seems worth stressing to managers and administrators, who often mistakenly assume that money and other tangible incentives are the only cures for morale and productivity problems. It may be, however, that the need to participate, to be recognized, to be creative, and to experience a sense of worth are better motivators in an affluent society, where many have already achieved an acceptable measure of freedom from hunger and threats to security and personal safety, and are now driven by higher-order psychological needs.
Thank you very much, friends! Several days ago a teacher at school showed us this pyramid. It made me think a lot. I found there a lot of answers. I try to understand the motivation of people’s actions. I find it very interesting – the motivation. Conscious or subconscious is it? Could it be changed, directed or manipulated? Even reversed the pyramid of needs gives food for thoughts. Particularly, I am interested in the need of creation. Many times in my life I thought – how simpler my life could be if I don’t feel that need… From the other side – what my life could be without this? And how the world would looks like without that need? I am happy that you find it interesting, friends. Much Love and Light!
That does make one think a lot. What motivation is to one is not the same as it is for others. The need of creation, it's definitely something I have very strongly. I used to not know what this feeling was, I had this feeling I should be doing something and then i found so many ways of expressing myself and that is what I needed. Creation's a wonderful thing for me, but I know it's not the motivation for everyone. Great blog!
Creation is necessary for myself as well. My well being, my balance, my whole prospective on the world and myself is tied up in it. I think therefore I am. I create therefore I am. Sometimes it feels as if my art creates myself.
I loved maslowe's theories. He was one of the few theorists who looked at healthy people to explain behavior. I also agree with him about the Hierarchy of needs...
The one thing that is 'sad' about the human race is that it is not taught to us as a general rule to catch the aberrations that we build around ourselves and to realize that we are highly programmable by outside influence that do not aid us in our quest towards a comparable life.
I believe self actualization and the purpose of our existence are coinciding realities. In order for there to 'be an awakening' we must become self actualized. Otherwise we are only dreaming. Like the Matrix.
Yup. Precisely. Imagine. Lets say I write a 100 blogs on Peace. They 'sound beautiful.' But in my 'real life' lets say I am far from 'Peaceful.' Lets say I am teething with anger and fear and frustration, etc. etc.
Now going back to the scientific thought, that that is energy, energy is matter, and matter cannot be destroyed, only transformed...imagine all that 'negativity I emit' without even 'meaning to do so', into the Universe. There it finds other negativity and these negative energy bond together. Creating larger and larger pools of negativity.
It does not good to speak of peace until we generate peace.
I believe there is some intertwining. After all, first the earth had consciousness and we were not even on it. However there is no 'color' to this planet, it is our mind that creates the concept of it to our brains.
That is a good thought. Ever notice how the image of the screen stays in your sight if you close your eyes..It is imprinting.Part of why i do not like TV
Yes, it does. They test us with electrodes hooked up to our bodies and measure the retinal dialation of our pupiles and know how to lower our thinking channels into receptive mode and then then pour their messages into ourselves.
A computer system is the best that I can come up with. The 'lottery of primodial soup' that it requires to make even the smallest source of life, is incalculable in the combinations it must spin and reject and spin and reject to just get one single cell of a creation. It has to be a computer generation, random accelertaor to 'creative life.'
Wow…. you both are… incredible…. Yes, it is fun… but also a lot of food for thoughts. It is very interesting to read your thoughts. I learn much from your conversations.
Just to clarify several points that I didn’t catch very well…
Is there a difference between the self-actualization and the awakening? I see there is. But could you precise it, Rose?
Yes, Rose… but if someone want peace but don’t know how to reach for this in his inner world? I mean he/she want peace but are afraid to sacrifice something for achieving this peace. Is that mean that he/she don’t have to speak about the peace?… But he/she wants it or even need it! Yes, that one live in conflict. But maybe speaking about peace could help him to find the way to leave his/her fear. I would recommend any kind of thing that could help people be much better…
“(…) The 'lottery of primodial soup' that it requires to make even the smallest source of life, is incalculable in the combinations it must spin and reject and spin and reject to just get one single cell of a creation. It has to be a computer generation, random accelertaor to 'creative life.' (…) “ wow, this is amazing, Rose!
Thank you, girls for the very interesting conversation! I love you both!
Well, I feel badly that 'self-actualization' has been rather punched holes in by a number of writers, but I do not think 'awakening can be effectively risen' without self actualization done, because the little lies we are fed and have been fed, color up our world and we cannot see it objectively until we take responsibility for what we believe and why. I think that after the 'self actualilzation,' if the attention is steered into contemplation of the world, it all falls into place, this 'beingness' of existence, this buzz of energy of which we are an energy, of Source. Hence, so much of philosophy, so much of Prophetry, so much of psychology, all entertwine together. The philosophers writes, I think therefore I am, The Prophet writes parables to enlist the listener to thought, the psychologists asks you to trace your thoughts back to where your aberrations arose from and...let us not forget the Quantum physicists proves mathmatically that all of it is true.
Lol, sofia...I love to think. I thought you might enjoy today and reading the trail of thoughts you generated.
Self actualization has been described by some as a little more than resented here. If I amnot mistaken, Maslowe included an element that we might call spiritual. But I have to look at it again. It has been 27 years snce I read maslowe's work...
i don't know if we must be self Actualized before reaching awakening. Perhaps most of us are, but I think there are cases of people who are transformed compleely by tragic events that propel them thus. But i guess that is not usual....
"A computer system is the best that I can come up with. The 'lottery of primodial soup' that it requires to make even the smallest source of life, is incalculable in the combinations it must spin and reject and spin and reject to just get one single cell of a creation. It has to be a computer generation, random accelertaor to 'creative life.' "
I don't understand this paragragh....So i wil not comment.
Sophia,
I think what you are saying is that people want peace but want safety more. This is the delima of our time in the US. We have traed liberty for safety.....
Hmmmm....wellll...how to reword it. The odds of life coming into existence are almost incalculable. Oh, I found this: The most compelling evidence is amino acids. The simplest known living organism has over 500 amino acids. When amino acids form, they are less than one-millionth the size of a human hair. When they form, they form with side groups of atoms. Scientist have found that all non-living amino acids form with 50% of side atoms on the right side of the acid and 50% on the left. This is true on all non-living amino acids. Living cells can ONLY contain amino acids on the left side. ALL amino acids found in every single living cell contains only left-sided amino acids. In the most favorable environment of scientific labs, this has never been duplicated. No scientist has ever created the left-handed amino acid that is critical to the formation of life. All amino acids always form with left and right sided atoms. If scientist in perfect conditions can't duplicate one single left-sided amino acid, how could the 500 necessary for life form by chance? The scientific odds of even one left-sided amino acid forming by chance is 10 to the 123rd power. In other words 1 chance in 10 followed by 123 zeros. i.e. 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Compare this to the rediculous odds of winning the lottery which is 1 chance in 80,000,000.
I think the surfaceo of the sun is like eleven hundred degrees. If it were 50 degrees hotter or cooler, no life here.
So if you think of a person trying to figure out a combination lock ear cocked to the door to listen for the clicks indicating each precise code, which is simple by comparison to the figures below....the number of 'combinations' that would have to be precise on the money for even a single celled creature to develop, it is practically, incalculable. But the Universe is set to 'go through processes searching for the proper coding to' create life. When each of the millions of variables is 'correct' a click until the next branch of potentialities is met with another click and so on.
Think of one of those computer generated code breaking machines that seeks out the variables of numerical patterns to come up with passwords and such. Thousands of numbers jettisoning by, until the correct pattern is ascertained.
That's the way the Universe is set up, a computing system that has behind it a programmed program within it, 'to search out the variables to create physical matter and depose consciousness within it's matter.'
Wow… I don’t know actually what more could I say. Rose, you made me dizzy with all those huge numbers… I didn’t know this… Actually I need to read and re-read this still several times…. It is really amazing! What about making clonings?
In a personal level, someone loves the peace but not ready to sacrifice something for this. And he began frustrate, being jealous and so on… but he think that he loves the peace. Is it possible?
Well, everything we believe has merit doesn't it? I mean say I have 'no peace in my heart' but I believe in peace? Am I not valid? After all, at least I have 'worked out enough to believe 'in peace,' while I have not found it yet in my life. Surely my belief in peace alone, fuels the energy of others that believe in Peace that have not found it in their own personal lives. But if I'm angry and mean to people and then come here and write about peace, well that's another story of what I present. I might present a 'tainted peace,' or try to convince people I am a guru because I want people to love me. I might actually 'lead them astray with my notions.' So I guess it's all a matter of debate.
stray thought...I mean say I come here and I'm 'angry and mean.' That might be more of an example to other people of the opposite. You see what I mean?
I understand and I like to discus this with you. I just meant that I would like to see just the best I could find in someone. And if he/she tells me that he/se believe in peace…. I believe him/her.
“(…) But if I'm angry and mean to people and then come here and write about peace (…)” I doubt that this is possible… At least I think that people would feel that this one is not honest, right? But if you don’t have peace because you have to change something in your life but you don’t have the courage to do this?
Oh I do too Sofia. I find sometimes and most usually, we are much 'better people' then we ourselves see. Sometimes it is the mirror our friends set up for us that make us realize that we are 'good' and reach towards our true potential. And lets face it we respond so much as to how we are treated. Example. I loved and adored my grandfather. When he came to visit I'd run to sit next to him to be as close as I could. I would wait patiently for him to talk to me. My cousins couldn't stand him. They were bratty. My Grandfather would become cross with them. Of course, he couldn't stand them. They made him feel a failure as a human, I made him feel important, which he was.
Yes, of course what you say is true, but if on the other hand the person that says they believe in peace peace peace, is argumentative and cruel, their 'peace may be tainted.'
But I think you certainly have a life in turmoil and chaos and still believe in peace. Ideas blossom inside of us and if we allow seeds to grow, perhaps our anger will naturally begin to fall away?
Well it's interesting. I can see both sides. It's something to think about.
Very interesting comment, Rose! You were strongly connected with your Grandfather. This is wonderful! We couldn’t always have strong connection with everyone we met in our life. And I wonder – what make someone special in our life? So-called bio-chemistry; bio-fields… magic! Sometimes the magic is better not to be unveiled…
I understand what you mean – standing up for “peace” but in a very aggressive manner… would make me think that something is wrong there… I would like to have more peace and harmony in my life.
What kind of “computer” it could be that is able to do this job! Imagine how “small” we are now. We were programmed to “forget”… I’ve read somewhere that the “bad forces” created the time to make us forget. Actually, the “time” doesn’t exist. Only this moment – now, before and forever….
Verrrry interesting comments Sofia. Indeed we are smaller then we have even the reference in our minds to ascertain. Our entire galaxy is a speck containing upon closer observations, millions of little specks of which the speck of the sun is not as large as a dust mote in the air. And yet our mind's consciousness can conceive of, all of it.
Yes, indeed what sort of computer that devices atoms and particles and then realizes even 'they' are comprised of an influences by even smaller than they. As if there is an eterntiy through which size gets smaller an smaller then even wee we and then an atom itself is huge in comparison to, that which decreases even smaller. It is a marvelous composition holding it all together into a mathmatical probability of probabilities.
Sheesh.
Programmed to forget. I believe that totally. That we are sent here with amnesia and our life's ambition programmed into us, to remember and to awaken back to it.
I just don't know all the implications of it. I need to let it settle. My brain is not operating well. But more than that. For me information is proecessed in my brain in a way that Ii take in the info, it does something in my brain and comes back to me with more meaning. I guess we have mini computers in our brains too. we must now that i think of it...
sofia,
Are you saying that it is the intention that matters to you with people? I agree with this. I think it is dangerous to judge others. Rarely are we ever in their places and it is to easy to look down on people that are not at the level we see ourselves as being in at any point in time.
The bane of language and human kind's existence is this struggle with hypocrisy. There are references to it by colloquial sayings. One such is a parent telling a child:
"Do as I say, not as I do."
Another is:
"Easier said than done"
We are trying. All people are, in however small a way, it seems to us. Compassion for those who have a hard time living up to their principles is what the Christ Consciousness was trying to tell us.....
Yes, I agree. Just as we sit here with computers on your laps or at our tables they are like the future and the present joined together with time. We are part of a program of something.
I think it's important to always be a goofball, so then you or nobody else takes you so seriously and you being a goofball, can forgive all the other goofballs. Pity the goofball who thinks he or she is not, for they judge others as being goofballs and do not see their own goofballyness at all.
I hope you are feeling better sofia. This is getting to be a regular refuge. Be well both of you. Whatever program you are we seem to be, in the program with you.
Hi Rose and Cyndi! I love this “refuge”. Here I feel… very “me”. Beyond the language restrictions I feel… as if in the same “program” with you! If we just could stop for a while thinking in the manner that we were teach since we were children and “dive” into this “program”. Are you good in abstraction? I mean can you imagine what it could be if the time and the limits doesn’t exist? Would it be like a dream?
“(…) That we are sent here with amnesia and our life's ambition programmed into us, to remember and to awaken back to it. (…)” The journey to go back home!
Cyndi, very often people are tired, nervous, scared… I don’t think that what they say being in this place correspond to their real nature. Of course there are a really bad people. Those ones I try to avoid in my life. But, look – even now when I say “bad people” mean that I judge them – I put the label: “bad”….
I do not think I am good in "abstraction" like you and Rose are. Not in the math science areas like physics. There is a block in my brain that does not process it. It was not always this way. When I was a child, I excelled in it, but something happened to upset me and I can't get to those areas without extreme effort. Some idiot teacher used me as example to shame the class. She pointed pointed out that I was ahead of everyone even thoughI had started later in the year than they did. Those chldren stopped talking to me after that. I know this is stupid, but whatever I did to shut off my ability, I have not been able to undo in the course of my life. The weird thing is I really enjoy math.
Words by their nature force us into judgements. It DISTINGUISHES, ISOLATES, CATEGORIZES. It is not the words we use....like "idiot teacher" above, but the sentiment we feel while doing it. I think. I try to say peopel BEHAVE badly but everyone has the potential to be good. I believe if I see that good, sometimes I can make them aware of the goodness in them and it will shift them from their bad behavior. This is not a simplistic thing I do. Being empathetic aides me in this because I feel their negative impulses and redirect them. I have done this just recently with a person that was a predator. It is a dangerous thing to do if one is not careful not to get emotionally involved. The person has a job and is in counseling now.
I guess I sound pompous now.....But I do try to help people every day. It is why I am here...
Love you. I feel like I can you anything and you will still like me.....
I try to separated the 'good and evil and the light and dark,' into awake and asleep. I have felt strongly about this since I was a little girl. People 'seldom sleep' all the time. Sometimes they I would notice them 'come out a little' and then go back in. Search peoples faces as you walk about sometimes and consider it as you do so. Feel the 'buzz of yourself' and look at others and see if you can 'feel the buzz on them' or if they seem so 'rote' that you can feel that they are functioning on automatic pilot.
Sofia, I do not think I am that good at abstraction. I think I once was better at it, then I am now. But I have at least a notion of reducing the vastness of the planets influence on me. Meaning it feels, this planet so 'huge' and it feels so 'all' it is difficult but I do spend a bit of time in meditation over the fact how small it really is...and I try to picture that as small as we are, bugs are smaller, and as small as they are, viruses are smallers, and as small as they are, atoms are smaller and as small as atoms are, particles are smaller, and as small as they are, quarks are smaller..and you get this 'feeling of going down, the rabbit hole,' it never ends.
I feel like...yes, all time is now. Later I express irritation to the fact it is not the same time all over the world. That we should not divide ourselves by noon and midnite and such. It is now. Certainly it would be eleven hundred hours and it's eleven hundred hours for you and so what where the sun is in the day, we should all know it is 'now' and not three hours later or earlier somewhere else. I cannot begin to express how I think this 'tricks' people...this belief that was happened to me happened to me three hours ago. That's weird huh?
Oh Cailet....I know what you mean...to see them 'shift' from their bad behavior, I know just what you mean. It seems a life's ambition to help people awaken. Sometimes they will come 'ouut a little' and then reverse on you so hard they get stinko mad. I never 'thouught' to discuss this with another, cause like you I was afraid that I would be perceived ad a pompous ass. I mean if people 'knew' you were trying to help them (I mean 'you' i n general, including me) then they might withdrawl...ya know? But yes, it's true. I feel within me an ability to see 'better who they are' (which is better then they think themselves to be) and try 'pull it towards the surface. An empathic sort of 'knowing' that what might 'help do so.'
Unfortunately most teachers have issues in which too much power corrupts their senses and they manipulate children in childish manners they themselves have not outgrown.
I see I had missed a lot here these last few days. This is a very interesting conversation, and I hope it's ok that I jump in here. I try no to group people, because I don't like dichotomy where something is either this or it is that, good or bad, or the like. But there are people I click with and people where I don't as well. It's something I think on a lot, as there has to be something which is the reason for this. Some kind of sensing. I wish I could talk more about this, but I have to head back to work. :( I'll be back later.
Rose your sleep model is useful. It negates negative judgements very well. Who gets angry with a person that is asleep. It gives us more patience.
Let me say that I am extremely selective about who I intervene with. They have to ask for help on some level. Otherwise, I send them good wishes in my heart and hope them the best. I do not do this online either as it is too difficult to help people without having physical contact. I need to have the cues from their expressions and bodies to see where I am going. But I have noticed something else recently that I was either unaware of or just recently developed. People are drawn to me. Strangers visibly relax when in my presence. I am affecting the world around me in some way as opposed to it only affecting me.
This scares me more than anything. I want to be sure I know what this is...
Ben,
Are you familar with our game? We are on a quest like Dorothy of the Wizard of OZ. We have identified with some of the characters, but I forgot now who I identified with. I think now the scarecrow as I feel deficient in intellect. Who knows tomorow I might be Dorothy.:-)
Yeah, it's good to realize we are mostly asleep anyway. We perk up for moments and then we go into a lower mode, back and forth. If we allow for forgiving ourselves when we err, we are more apt to be forgiving to others when they err.
I don't see any restrictions from the internet. I am really able very easily to read a person pretty succinctly, if I am 'meant to.' Whether in person or online. Little subtle things come out, little patterns...I don't know exactly how to explain it.
The thing I mentioned before...like when you are 'out and abouut' and lower your shield a bit...and start looking around...and then you will 'notice somebody' noticing you...make eye contact...and for a moment you two will lock eyes before looking away...Emmerson (Ralph Waldo) wrote that these peoples 'oversouls' were in communication with one another while 'we' below now knowing, do not realize the conversation they engage it. Thing that is interesting, I wrote this in my journal two weeks before I ever read Emmerson in my life. He 'duplicated my thought,' or rather I duplicated his, or if you take 'time' out of the equation and all time is 'now' we explored a thought pattern and deduced the same equation.
I notice those patterns on line, but I do not feel people unless it is a strong emotion. I find it absolutely delightful on here. But when in someone's presence, I am discovering it is much more difficult to block things out. Music helps me. I have it playing all the time. Head phones at home, in the car and litte ear phones when I am out. I can think more clearly with it too.
I do have the experience you talk about with the locking of eyes. It just happens so often, that I took it for granted. Normally we smile at each other. I like that. It feels good. I was wondering if you ever thought that certain places have different frequencies. I notice that I see more of these persons in certain places. It is at places I am drawn to as well. It is not the place but the geography, I think. Something about the energy around it. It is also where people approach me for help. Normally it is just that they want to vent, but sometimes it is more. I go there twice a day. It grounds me...
OH definetly. I think some places have a low guttural feeling to them...that I feel uncomfortable. And other areas, are uplifting zones. As if the earth itself is tainted by what deeds may transpire. Could it as well be, that these areas were marked by the earth itself or that only we marked the earth?
Many times, the 'eye-locking' goes back and forth. Both look away shyly but their eyes are drawn back to one another, over and over, to both parties embarrasment.
I try to answer but you are very fast for me. So I’ll put this to have more time to type further… lol
I don’t like math. I am not good at math at all. But I can imagine very well everything in the space and play with this. This is my game – I love this… Unfortunately, Cyndi, it happens often – that the teachers mark whole our life. As I always say – you can’t learn to be a teacher; you have to be borne with this talent and to really love this…. I never thought that the violence, punishment and the force are the right solution of the problems. Cyndi, you sound very well! You are wonderful!
Rose, I thought that I know people; that I can “feel” what I am not able to see. Several months ago I realized that I just “put labels”. By the way, I like to look at the face to people that I met everyday. I try to imagine what kind of person I see. I still believe that the inner world is very visible on the face…. And I have to agree with you – most of the people “function on automatic pilot”.
I have to confess that I too have problem with the abstraction… The things are very precisely in my head. And I am very happy that they urge us to do abstract work at school. There I have not choice – I do abstraction. What it means for me abstraction – it means to be sensible and able to catch only the real essence, the concept! If we let it happen – we will see amazing things. Ben is very good at this!
It is very good to see you here, Ben. I would like so much to hear you!
I'm going to have to go offline soon. I've spent too much time here already and the world is spinning by...and I'll return when I can to continue the thread....so back to...abstraction. You are good for me Sofia. You brought me the fibonnachi code (what that was it was called?) AND I actually understood it. It escaped me.
You know what I find funny? I know my mind works on the level of the quantum phyicist, that we process in a like manner, but I with ideas and they will math. But we reach the same deductions.
The pull of earth and it's reality is so very strong....such a strong illusion...it keeps the mind pulled into it's own gravity....but we can break free.
Today I was outside in a dream. I have this like barbecue...and I was going to create clouds in the air with it. I went outside the the sky was filled with huge white clouds...from skyline to midway up to the heavens....and very white...mine were a little lavendar tinged. I realized mine were not then 'needed' as it was already a cloud day.....but I let mine lose anyway.
I wonder if I would have dreamt such a dream two years ago? I suspect not.
Hmmm... today I feel like one of those flying monkey things, if I'm choosing to be something from the Wizard of Oz. Hyper and kind of impish. I have a lot of things I want to do and I have the energy to do them, but I have to serve my evil master instead(work). Later on, if things get slow, I'll be the scarecrow for a bit(picking up pieces of my brain as I recover) and then I think I might actually be the person who you never see in the Wizard of Oz who is behind the camera watching. It's an observing kind of day, I think. We shall see. It's good to be able to change who I am though, glad for that.:)
I love to watch people and watch their eyes, as I wonder what sort of thoughts they might be having. But then, I have to be careful, for I have those "wild staring eyes" that make people feel uncomfortable sometimes. It's always a good day when I can make someone else smile or laugh, and I do it at my own expense sometimes.
I used to do a lot of high level math but I've forgotten most of it because I never used it and my interests changed to something more my style. You can be abstract without math, surely. It's all about visualiztion, imagination, and perception. Be back later.
Actually, about helping people…Mostly I agree with you both. But something I understood in my life is that the help must be wanted and needed… If not the result is tragic… I agree with you, Rose – this is not constantly process to be “perk up” for a moment and after that to go back in a calmer level. I see this happen often with me… I have problem to “feel” people on line. When I see someone, instantly I feel him/her. But I have to confess that I feel more free to express myself on line. I am very shy and very often it happens to me just to block completely due to a big emotions. But I like the eyes contact…
Hey, friends, we really do our trip looking for the wizard Oz. Isn’t it so, what we do here during this discussion…. We browse our minds and bring into the world amazing thing. And when we speak about something we understand it and “when we understand something; it become real”. So, we create our reality!
Hi Ben! Actually, we still looking for Dorothy…:) But you could be someone else…
Me too, I must go too! But I like very much the conversation! I would like to speak more about the abstraction!
Maybe we all go in and out of these characters at will or need. After all, do we not all have the attributes of each character at time? At times I am a wild monkey that might bite a leg, but really, when I am 'free'd' of this prison I never wished, all I needed was a pet on the head, to set me straight. At other times I am Dorothy, seeking innocense and a way back home...likewise with all the characters, back and forth.
I don't know, I guess I am good at feeling people through their writing. Maybe because for so long, authors were my friends. I mean of course I can do it through 'being with them' but I feel like I am 'with them' when I am reading them. And I like pourrrring myself into people, as well. It's all good.
Ben a flying monkey! I had this picture in my head of the flying monkey things with Ben's face and "wild eyes" flying up to people and staring at them!!!!!!!
Then I saw Rose biting a leg!
Sophia wrote: "Mostly I agree with you both. But something I understood in my life is that the help must be wanted and needed… If not the result is tragic."
Precisely! That is why I said they have to ask. And that I am very selective. Even if people ask I will tell them that it is beter for thenm to form their own opinions most of the time. But there are some that I know i can help by asking them questions. Those are the ones I help. I don't answer the questions. They do that.....Hope that made sense...
I live eyes too. I drwa them all the time without meaning to....;-)
I more or less 'slip in' without much fanfare and slip out without anybody knowing I was even there. Just a wisp blowing by. An attaboy or attagirl and commiseration instead of a condemnation. An example of my own faux pas to make the others feel it is 'not so bad' after all. Trying to live with honor....the low keyed stuff, you know? Most people will not 'ask' for love, but they need it all the same...so I try to love them if they look as if they will take it. Some won't. Some are dismal failures, but I do not think it does any harm.
Of course, my whole life I have been drawing eyes, lol. Waja think?!
Rose is most definitely an eye expert. I see her eyes seeing eyes and what's behind them. What's behind and between them is what really matters. :) (Ben hops a few steps and spreads his wings to fly once more, screeching that loud and grating flying monkey noise into the air and launching off)
Rose wrote: “(…) Sofia, lead us back into the abstract (…)” Would you like still to speak about the abstract or you are already tired? For me the abstraction is a process of simplification and removing of many not very important characters, to reduce the information till very essential level. It becomes much easy to see the concept. Sometimes it becomes more complicate… but this is a question of personal interpretation. For me a good abstraction must speak itself (if not – something is wrong). We could create a good abstraction when we reduce the information but also by generalization or reorganization of the elements.
“The wizard of Oz” and “The little price”, aren’t the best example of abstraction?
Welcome to the flying monkey! The monkey looks for what?
Great blog, Maslow's theory, been along time, I remember a conversation concerning Maslow... (Do we wait, and see what it is in the package, or let the mind direct its own order, as in a higher need to open the senses, for, or by, a give and take level of creative understanding)... worth, safety, higher order...where do we go from there?
I am so happy to see you here, dear Rain! Actually,… I am very new in this… I don’t know much about the Maslow’s theory! Several weeks ago a teacher gave us pages with the pyramid of needs. This attracted my attention and I wanted to learn more about this. I hoped that within a discussion with friends I’d learn more. I’ll be very happy if you share with us your knowledge. Love!
I always understood it as we are free to explore once certain needs are met. The chakras sort of correspond with the the pyramid except the obvious abscence of a spiritual quest.
I think of the safety needs and the root chakra....
Sophia,
The ability to reduce things to their most common denominator or simpliest form is not easy for me.
The saying : "not being able to see the forest for the trees " comes to mind. But this does not prevent me from trying.;-)
I simply do not know what to add. I have a view of seeing things as if from a long way away...seeing where the pit is that is along the trail. Have I fallen 'into the pit' of course I have, but usually I knew I was going to regret it when I did but went tumbling down anyway> I suppose I did not listen to myself very well, but even at that point I knew I was 'going to be having a little talk with myself for the stupidity of doing so when I knew how it would end,' but did it so anyway.
I don't know...I think I am losing the thread of understanding this perhaps.
Hmmm...well I tell you I rather reject abstract art, over all. I appreciate what Some do, but it has to have form for me to enjoy it. Like Ben does. Do you do work like him Cailet?
Actually I am more a feeler then a visualizer sofia. When I close my eyes I see dark. I am sure I see somewhere but it does not store where I can witness it. I think I am not intended 'visualize for otherwise I would always keep my eyes closed' which might be dangerous.
all art to me is wonderful, it is a talent that is hidden away like gold, for the self to express, but in certain abstract art it is not one of my most pleasured art choices... I am an artist as well, I love to draw nature, human body, material things( kind of like a still life but not so dead in the vision), in anything I do whether it is art or poetry I have to feel it...I can't just sit down and draw, or write...in other words "I have to embrace the realities"...I am close with nature, and yes cailet I agree about the chakras...."giggling" I have said that often lately in different conversations...WOW! not seeing the forest for the trees....and yet sometimes It is said "not seeing the forest through the trees".....you are all terrific....have a super wednesday....Rain
Hmm...I thouught I had a post on here but I must have turned my computer off too soon. I am anxious to see your work Cailet. I sense it will move me, because you do already.
For me, I want to paint people. It's all Ihave ever wanted to paint...and everything is is the frame for them. I like reality and I like the ethereal and I like the mix of them together.
I think that I would love to draw that way... I have to feel it too..
Thanks Rose,
I see either form or color. Color is how I express the intensity of emotion. I never took formal lessons and just strated doing this in September. i thinnk there is much for me to learn. I wil post my stuff not because I think it art, but because it shows me. To my friends I think it is worth showing...
I would paint persons and eyes if i could. For now I just settle for drawing emotion. Painting later. ;-)
Thank you very much, girls! I am sorry; it is very busy day today for me! I’ll be back this evening to speak with you! I love you! Have a wonderful day!
